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Hoffman's Initiation Test
Hoffman & Jigsaw1
Appearances Saw V
Type of Trap Test
Victims Mark Hoffman (passed)
Created by John Kramer

Shortly after Hoffman killed Seth with the Pendulum Trap, John Kramer began trying to hunt down Hoffman to speak with him. Initially encountered in an elevator, Hoffman is subsequently tranquilized and strapped to a chair. Jigsaw began lecturing him about how he, too, lost his family by outside means and desired justice, but also stated how he believed that even people as reprehensible as Seth deserved a chance to be rehabilitated by the test rather than be murdered. A double-barreled shotgun was pointed upwards toward Hoffman's head, with the trigger connected by a string to his restraints. If Hoffman struggled against his bindings, the trigger would pull. After Hoffman was set free by Jigsaw, it was revealed that the gun only had one shell in it. Jigsaw used his knowledge of Hoffman's murder as a means of blackmail, in order to extort Hoffman into becoming his accomplice. Though Hoffman reluctantly assists Jigsaw at first, he eventually becomes a willing apprentice and eventually succeeds Jigsaw after his death.

John: You know why you're here, don't you? They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. But I find it somewhat... distasteful. To be given credit for work that's not mine. [Shows him a newspaper article regarding Seth's death] Especially inferior work. Like you, I know what it's like to lose family. And I know what it's like to not be able to protect loved ones. It's a powerless feeling. [Hoffman pulls on his chair restraints, slowly pulling on the trigger of a double-barreled shotgun aimed at his head] I wouldn't do that. [Places a mirror in front of Hoffman showing him the shotgun] Hair trigger. [Regarding Hoffman's reflection] What do you see? Vengeance can change a person. Make you into something you never thought you were capable of being. But, unlike you, I've never killed anyone. I give people a chance.

Hoffman: You call this a chance?

John: We'll see. Our game's just begun.

Hoffman: Our game? You don't even know me.

John: No. I know you. I followed you as you pursued me. I know you. I know about your sister. I know how you cared for her. I know she was your only family. You sit in bars until closing. You drink so you can sleep. You stagger to your car and then you start it all over again the next day. And I discovered what you do for recreation. You can dispense justice and give people a chance to value their lives in the same moment. And by the way: The blade on your pendulum was inferior. If you want a true edge, you have to use tempered steel. Tempering's better for the long haul. You in this for the long haul, Detective?

Hoffman: I've been a cop for 20 years. Is that long enough for you?

John: Then you and I both know the statistics for repeat offenders in this city. 67.5% of criminals are back in prison within three years.

Hoffman: What do you want from me?!

John: So you might look at what you did to Seth as a kind of public service.

Hoffman: She was my only family. He didn't deserve a chance! He was an animal!

John: EVERYBODY deserves a chance!

Hoffman: You didn't see the blood! You didn't see what HE FUCKING DID TO HER!

John: KILLING IS DISTASTEFUL!! To me. [Whispers] There is a better, more efficient, way. [Sits down and puts his finger on the trigger of the shotgun] What do you see? LOOK! What do you see?

Hoffman: Tell me what you want!

John: I want to know if you have what it takes to survive. [After a tense moment, John pulls the trigger. [The gun isn't loaded]

Hoffman: Fuck you. Fuck you.

John: You see. It's a different method I'm talking about. If the subject survives my method, he or she is instantly rehabilitated. Now, you want a chance? [Hoffman nods] You want a chance? I'll give you a chance. [Stands; looks in the mirror] I am the man you call "Jigsaw." It's your duty to bring me in. I know who you are. And I know what you've done.

Hoffman: So this is blackmail?

John: No, no, no, no, no. [Kneels in front of Hoffman] This is redemption. I'm just giving you an option. That's all. Now, you can arrest me, but in doing so, your life ends as you know it. Or, you can explore the method of rehabilitation that'll permit you to sleep at night. [Cuts open Hoffman's restraints with a straight razor]

Hoffman: Or I can kill you right now.

John: But you're not a true killer. That's your dilemma. The information I have on you is exactly where I need it to be. And it will be released in the event of my disappearance.

Hoffman: They'll never believe your word over mine. [Grabs the straight razor]

John: You're willing to take that risk? The risk of ruining your own life in order to protect a corrupt legal system that puts murderers back on the streets? [Unloads the shotgun, revealing that only one barrel was loaded] How would your sister feel? We're at a crossroads, detective. Make your choice.

Conversation between Hoffman and John

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